TMVC – the Wonders of Singing

Our Experiences of Singing

Tideswell Male Voice Choir in our Haiti appeal concert at St John’s Church, Buxton

Tideswell Male Voice Choir in our Haiti appeal concert at
St John’s Church, Buxton.


The choir ran a Come and Sing project in 2010; this is referred to in some of the entries below – Ed

What makes singing so exciting? Here’s the story of one choirman:

I had lived in the Buxton area for just over 2 years, and although I’d sung in church choirs for years, I hadn’t sung for about 3 years and had never sung in a Male Voice Choir, des­pite being a lover of music. In April 2010, I read in the local press what I can only des­cribe as a challenge.

The Musical Director and the Officers of Tideswell MVC had said, “We are look­ing for a group of around 40 male voices to form a choir. If you’re inter­ested – COME AND SING.”

Never being one to pass up a challenge, and real­ising that I was miss­ing choral sing­ing, I went to the inaug­ural meet­ings and found after the sec­ond one I was ‘in’. This was the start of a gruel­ling but very inter­esting 6 months. Our first chal­lenge was to come in 3 months when “You’ll be singing in St John’s Church for the Buxton Fringe.” Our thoughts were that we would be no­where near ready to per­form in public, not only along­side the famous Tides­well MVC, but ON OUR OWN AS WELL. I must admit that Den­nis seemed to have much more faith in our abil­ities than we did. To be fair, how­ever, he openly told us that it would be hard work, with him as a hard task mas­ter. It was, but no­body had told me that it was so much FUN as well.

Our first performance at the Fringe was a little nail-biting, but passed off well. “Now we can get down to work on the real thing!” said Den­nis. This real thing was to be joining with TMVC, a couple of local Youth Choirs and some West End stars and per­form­ing at the Bux­ton Opera House. It con­sis­ted of re­hear­sals, breath­ing tech­niques, dancing rou­tines and the like. Com­pletely diff­erent from donning a Cas­sock and Surp­lice which gave some ano­nym­ity. We later heard the word chore­og­raphy and learned what it meant.

However, the day finally dawned when it would soon be ‘cur­tain up’. What a way to start! We were posed and had to hold the pose with sim­ply a turn of the head for what seemed half the first num­ber, where every­body in­vited the audi­ence to Come to the Cab­aret. As we left the stage to ap­plause and cheers, we had no time to think about the next part of the show, and also no time to dwell on our next num­ber. For­tun­ately, as we waited a little ner­vously in the wings, we re­ceived a ring­ing en­dorse­ment from the MC and cheers from the crowd. Chris­topher struck up the intro­duction, and eight of us en­tered from four points of the stage to take up pos­ition Centre Stage. No time to hes­itate, we small band of Top Tenors were into You’ll Never Walk Alone to be sung all the way through, be­fore we were joined by the rest of the band to fin­ish the num­ber. The rest of the pro­gramme seemed to flash by, and we were into our final num­ber, re­ceived with rap­tur­ous ap­plause. Our first true pub­lic per­form­ance was over – we had done it! We stag­gered dazedly into the Octagon for the after-show party, to be gree­ted by fam­ily and friends and receive their plaudits.

Two highlights for me personally, sat there in some­thing of a daze: up dashed my daugh­ter, grab­bed me round my shoul­ders and kissed me! And then shoved the pro­gramme in front of me and said “Can I have your auto­graph, please?” The se­cond was my son-in-law, who I later dis­cov­ered had some pre­vious form in stage craft, but is not norm­ally the gushing type. He stood me up, and rather solemnly shook hands, then hug­ged me, tel­ling me how mar­vel­lous the show had been.

The opinions of all my family and friends, most of whom have had some amat­eur experi­ence, was that the whole show had been amazing.

As Dennis had told us, it is now Wednesday, and I think the ad­ren­aline is start­ing to ebb a little. My own overall thoughts now are “What's next? This can’t be the end.”

I would like to thank all the people involved, but along with Dennis and Chris­topher, I would like to thank 2 marvellous groups of chaps – Come and Sing who have been a pleas­ure to work with, and I hope more is to come, and the lads from Tides­well who have helped and en­cour­aged us through­out. Thank you all!

EH 27/10/10


And here’s another man’s story...

I joined TMVC in March 2010, inspired by hearing the choir sing at the Buxton Opera House the previous October.

At that concert an announce­ment was made about the Come and Sing! project, due to start in the new year. Having not sung form­ally since leav­ing school in 1968, I thought that might be an ideal way of dipp­ing a toe in the water to find out if I could still sing well enough to join the choir, and how much I would enjoy it. This plan was scup­pered, how­ever, by rehear­sal night being Fri­day, which I couldn’t make with any regu­lar­ity. And so, encour­aged by the pos­itiv­ity of Den­nis Kay (the Musi­cal Direc­tor) and all the mem­bers to whom I had sp­oken on the ’phone and at the C&S intro­duc­tory even­ing, ‘dip­ping a toe’ turned into jump­ing in with both feet and join­ing the Choir.

I rather naively hoped that read­ing music and sing­ing would be like riding a bike – I’d be rusty, sure, but it would soon come back. It took about half an hour at my first rehear­sal to real­ise that this was more than a tad opti­mistic. Breath con­trol, voice pro­duc­tion tech­nique, facial ex­pres­sion, pro­nun­cia­tion! There was a lot more to this sing­ing lark than I’d appre­cia­ted – cer­tainly to sing­ing to the Choir’s and Den­nis’s stan­dards – and that’s with­out learn­ing the words and music to sing a reper­toire of some 50 songs with­out a score! Was I sure about this?

Three hours on – What a great night! I’ve found the people of the Peak Dis­trict in gen­eral very wel­com­ing since I moved here in July 2009, but this was per­haps the friend­liest and most help­ful welcome I’ve received any­where, both in the rehear­sal room and in The Star after­wards. And the im­medi­ate thrill of being in the middle of har­mon­ised male voices was some­thing else, even if I wasn’t con­tribut­ing any­thing at that stage.

Five months on – any qualms are com­pletely long gone.

Under Dennis’s excel­lent and per­sis­tent tui­tion, basic tech­niques seem to be de­vel­op­ing, al­though they’re ta­king time to be­come in­grained habits and still want to dis­ap­pear if con­cen­tration wavers or is cen­tred on learn­ing the nuts and bolts of new pieces.

I’ve pain­fully absor­bed enough words and music to enable me to thor­oughly enjoy sing­ing in half a dozen or so con­certs. To date these have been mainly in chur­ches, but I’m look­ing for­ward with anti­cipa­tion to sing­ing at the more varied and larger venues in which the Choir per­forms, especially ‘on tour’.

With the bene­fit of hind­sight, I don’t think that I real­ised in ad­vance how seriously TMVC take their sing­ing and per­form­ing, both individu­ally and as a group, and how com­mitted to it I would have to be. I soon found, how­ever, that Dennis’s great am­bitions for the Choir’s future are backed by the members’ keen­ness for pro­gress and will­ing­ness to work to ach­ieve it – both in per­form­ance and be­hind the scenes. There’s an awful lot to be done, in all sorts of ways, if our am­bitions are to be real­ised but I look for­ward to play­ing a part in it for, hope­fully, many years to come.

But most of all I look for­ward to the fun, the cam­arad­erie and the ful­fil­ment which the last five months make me sure my years with TMVC will bring.

AWB 11/8/10

Dennis with two C and S project members

Dennis with two C&S project members


And a third...

Just over a year ago I went to a sing­ing work­shop run by Den­nis Kay at Hope Coll­ege. It had been fif­teen years since I sang in a choir and I wasn’t sure that my voice still worked! Any­way I turned up, joined in and had a good sing. Whether I was any good or not I still didn’t know, but I did know that I en­joyed the group singing. When Dennis suggested that I came along to a few choir prac­tices I thought I’d give it a go.

From my previous experience of three years sing­ing in a mixed voice choir I thought I knew what a choir prac­tice was all about. This was dif­fer­ent. A rowdy bunch of char­ac­ters barg­ing about in a church hall in Tides­well, sud­denly brought to order by a loud roar from some ser­geant-major type hover­ing in a corner!

Then the work began – and I mean work. The Musical Direc­tor (Dennis Kay) started promptly on time and launched into what was effect­ively a two-hour sing­ing les­son. He put the choir through its paces; if he wasn’t happy with a phrase or a pass­age he would ex­plain what they were doing wrong, tell them how to get it right and then re-sing the phrase until he had knocked it into shape. (His tech­niques to ach­ieve this ranged from out­right com­edy, through drama to spe­cific threats of phys­ical harm!)

At that first practice I could see just how com­mit­ted the choir was. All sorts of people from all walks of life, but with one thing in common – they loved to sing and were pre­pared to work hard at sing­ing better.

The sound the choir made was also different from my pre­vious choir ex­peri­ence. Male voice choirs are some­thing special. The quiet pieces can be breath­taking, mak­ing the hairs on the back of your neck stand up; the louder songs can cres­cendo to a solid, con­trol­led and bal­anced force that threat­ens to knock walls down! Being a part of that sound is simply tremendous.

When the practice came to an end there was a resump­tion of the pre­vious bab­ble of conver­sation, this time with a repeated theme of ‘are you going down the road?’ This trans­lated into a very enjoy­able visit to a local host­elry where the qual­ity of the ale was matched by the qual­ity of ban­ter, friend­ship and cam­arad­erie.

A year on I’m still learning the ropes, but I’ve enjoyed every min­ute and wish I had started years back.

EJ 09/03/10

So much to discover, in so short a time

So much to discover, in so short a time


And a fourth...

(This piece was written in preparation for the choir’s Come and Sing! project – Ed)

Hello, my name’s Peter. I joined the choir in June 2008 aged 64. At that time I’d had virtu­ally no experi­ence of sing­ing. No school sing­ing other than (reluct­antly) in the daily ass­embly, a few church ser­vices while a teen­ager, then noth­ing. Not even sing­ing in the bath! Through all this time I didn’t know whether I could sing or not. I was some­times acc­used of hav­ing a tune­less whistle, so would my voice turn out the same? I could hear diff­erent notes, but I couldn’t tell you what notes they were, and never hav­ing heard my own voice I didn’t know where it sat in rela­tion to other men’s.

Fast-forward to spring 2008, when I found my­self being attrac­ted into the social circle of the Tides­well choir in their post-practice gather­ings at my local. Den­nis and Co. talked me into hav­ing a go, so eventu­ally I screwed up the cour­age to turn up at a prac­tice. As I couldn’t reach the up­per half of the bari­tone regis­ter I was put in the bass sec­tion. There I put down roots and I’ve stayed ever since. It turns out that I’m most def­initely a bass. And with a good deal of help from my friends I’ve found that I do have a use­ful voice after all – phew!

The next hurdle was to learn some lines. The choir has over two hun­dred scores in its lib­rary, and it seemed to me at first that they were in­tent on going through the lot be­fore I could learn even the first! But with a bit of perse­ver­ance I did eventu­ally build up enough confid­ence to be able to sing a few songs with­out the scores in hand.

Then in spring 2009 the choir went on a tour of Corn­wall, perform­ing eight times in six days. This was just, simply ... magical. The occ­asion was an inter­national male-voice choral fest­ival invol­ving some 3,000 men and dozens of con­certs. What an aston­ishing experience! I was unprepared for the sheer excite­ment, sus­tained day after day as we went to one town after an­other to sing along­side other choirs, some with next-to-no English. We even sang at the Minack open-air amphi­theatre at Land’s End. Mere words can­not relate the thrill of sing­ing in this spec­tac­ular place.

Perusing the pages of this web­site will show what other places we’ve sung in. Every one was special in its way of course, but two high­lights stand out for me: the con­cert at the Oct­agon with choirs from Hope Valley Coll­ege, who were wonder­ful to work with – such energy, en­thusi­asm and in­nate talent – and of course the incom­par­able thrill of sing­ing at Buxton Opera House with Cantamus girls’ choir in our annual Gala Con­cert. My mother was in the audi­ence this time, and after­wards she seemed to float sev­eral in­ches above the ground, so proud and ex­cited was she that her son had achi­eved such a feat. So within a year, and in spite of my hav­ing more diff­iculty than most in learn­ing lines, the choir had brought me from noth­ing at all to being a bit of an asset. And if they did it for me, they can do it for anyone.

Anyone joining [the Come and Sing!] project will of course be free to leave at any time up to its cli­max next October, but we all hope that some will want to go fur­ther and we hope they will de­cide to join us. The choir­men are so warm and friendly, and the comrade­ship so fulfil­ling, the music so reward­ing, that I wan­ted to tell the men around Bux­ton what a won­derful time they are guaran­teed to have if they will gird their loins (so to speak), get them­selves along and join up to have a go, and  –

“Come and Sing!”

PRH 28/11/09


Updated 31 October 2010


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